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Well, you know, Hartley had made your keynote director of my cap, National Investigating

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Committee on Aerial Phenomenon departed Boston a week or so ago, and the balloon really

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went up out in Michigan. At least something went up out there because we have a whole

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rash of reports of unidentified flying objects that were sighted in the Ann Arbor area. They

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were seen by farmers, by policemen, the Civil Defense Director's Co-Ed, roughly about 400

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and all. What were they? Well, we'll get some opinion tonight. Some from Major Kehoe in

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Washington. How about you two? Have you had any sightings lately? You wonder what this

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thing called, the UFO is? What it's all about? First, let's have this message. Major Kehoe.

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Hello, Major. Hello? Hello, Major. How are you?

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All right, Bob. Fine. I'd like a little bit later, if you don't mind, I'd like to take

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some phone calls, talk about House of Public Leader Ford's statement today that he'd like

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to see a full-blown investigation of UFOs. Yes.

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Okay, right now let's take a call. Bob Kennedy, you're on contact. You're on the air.

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Hi, I'd like to direct my question to Major Kehoe. Yes, sir.

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I'd like to know his opinion on the fact why whenever the exciting UFOs reported to the

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Air Force, why the Air Force very rarely reports its findings to the public, because you'll

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find a number of the times the Air Force keeps quiet on them. They never highly reports the

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findings to the public, although they do get national trust coverage, but the Air Force

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never comments on them. Major.

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Well, there is a high-level policy with the Air Force two years out that these things must

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be played down, explained as possible, to avoid the hysteria, perhaps panic. The Air Force

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really should not be blamed too much. This is policy that's at a very high level, and

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many people in the Air Force that don't even believe in it, think that it's bound to cause

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trouble sooner or later. But under that policy, all of the project people and the Air Force

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spokesman and the best officers are required to explain as many things as they can, even

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though some of the answers are obviously orging on the ridiculous.

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All right, Bob Kennedy, you're on the air. You're on contact.

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Hello, Mr. Kennedy. Yes, sir.

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First of all, I'd like to say that I'm a believer, but you are Major Kehoe over the past few months

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and date my wife a real believer.

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You know something, I don't know, Major Kehoe, I'm not a believer. I don't think I'm one

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of the initiated. I'm not one of the born-again believers. You folks, I kind of figure hopefully

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we've come out of a cynic's attitude about this. I think that's my job.

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Well, I had two comments I'd like some expert opinion on, if I could. I'm calling from Kate

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Codd. And, first of all, as I've read articles about old bi-prominent scientists, I think,

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at least they say they are from Harvard and other places, who say that they've gathered

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from passages not directly from the Bible, but things like the Rosetta Stone, but not

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exactly, I'm not saying the Rosetta Stone itself, things they've translated from recorded

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history that people back then all talked about the great firebird that came from the sky

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and the little golden man that jumped out of it and looked around and got back in his

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firebird and in a great blast the fire took off. And the scientists said that they thought

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possibly we had been visited, our planet had been visited and watched over, something like,

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oh, something like you would watch over a garden pretty regularly for the past, oh, maybe

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five, ten thousand years. I'd like some comment on that.

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Well, there have been many reports of contact with space people, but so far we've had absolutely

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no proof that any of these plans are true. Well, so many of them are made, people who

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want publicity, or maybe they're deluded. Well, it's certainly natural to think there should

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be contact eventually if these things keep on taking touch landings, but we don't have

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any, we accept as reliable.

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Maybe we said a little bit early when talking about the fact that Representative Ford came

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out today for an investigation. I imagine this makes you sort of an elated man at this point.

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Well, we know that a lot of members of Congress have been supporting hearings and urging them

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for some time, but there's always changed public attitude and press attitude, so there's

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courage some of them, and now I think that that's the only forward they get some results.

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Do you have any particular theories or have you been filtering the reports out down there

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about why or why, particularly out in Michigan at this particular time, why so many?

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Well, no, we haven't figured out any pattern which would be confused like that, but quite often

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there's been a concentration in a certain area over a period of time, and then it ends

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and the concentration begins somewhere else. Now, for a long time there was a lot up there

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in England, and now it seems to be shifting over to the Federal West, but there's not

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enough tidings to reach a conclusion on. I would say perhaps if this goes on for a month

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we should have a lot more information.

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Bob Kennedy, you're on contact, you're on the air. Hello?

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Hello, yes, Bob. I would like to ask a couple of questions on my capture. Who is it supported

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by the Federal Government and is it affiliated with the Air Force?

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No, no. Quick answers for you, I can do that. No affiliation with the Government, no support

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from the Government. Bob Kennedy, you're on contact, you're on the air. Hello?

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Good evening, Bob.

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Yes, sir.

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Yes, I have a question. I can't remember where I heard this comment, but it was on the top.

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Last show you did it made it feel.

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Sure.

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But in the comment that was mentioned that rashes about UFO sightings were usually related

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to certain planets in the solar system being close to the Earth.

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I don't know, you approach it more.

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Well, I was wondering if there were any planets close to the Earth, just because they were

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present, were under a suspicion. And also, sort of a science fiction comment.

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About a week and a half ago, I think it was the Russians that sent up a probe to see

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the collage of the Sun. And now a week and a half ago, maybe, is there about all the UFOs.

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But I just like the history of the Earth.

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All right. Thank you for calling.

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Major?

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Well, yes. You know, the first report for release, it was stated on a technical laboratory

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that there was absolutely no sign of any of the so-called canals or olysis, the areas where

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the canal lines intersect. Now, it turns out that there actually are lines on these

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stones, on a number of them. As a matter of fact, we have seen two of these bones here

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in the office that were shown to us by Dr. Frank Salisbury, who is an eminent ex-opologist

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at State University, Colorado, and who has also studied Mars for a long time and who

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normally suggests that there may be a close-up line on Mars.

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Now, these were films made by the astronauts, weren't they, Major Kehoe?

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No, they were made by the mayor. Remember, the mayor flew by there and took pictures

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from a distance of several thousand miles, and he couldn't expect too much detail and

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do, but on the basis of this, get to the social laboratory, and then NASA said there was

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no indication of any canals. And that idea remained fixed for a while. Now it turns out

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that there were lines on the film, and I don't know whether it was thought better not to

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mention it at the time, or whether they were laterally discovered when they already made

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a more carefully domination. But they are there. Dr. Pombo, the director of the project,

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those pictures are also confirmed to fact that they, he's found several canals on these

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films. I understand too that there is a movement under foot to put more money into the Mars

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exploration and to sort of dismiss or not use the money that we had planned to use for

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the exploration of Venus, because it was felt that there was a greater reward to be

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raised by putting all of our eggs into one basket, so to speak, in the exploration of Mars.

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Have you heard much on that? Well, I've heard about two. I don't think any actual figures

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have been released showing a change in appropriation, but it seems reasonable, because Mars has

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indicated that there's more chance of, I mean our evidence indicates there's more chance of

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some kind of intelligent life there. If it doesn't exist now, then there possibly wasn't a past.

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And I believe it's right, we will get more rewards, and certainly Venus, if all of the reports

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of the last two years are correct, it's very doubtful whether there is any life of the type

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that we would recognize at least. Now you're on the air. Yes, sir. Bob, yes. I want to ask

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Mr. Keero a question. Now this gentleman said that he'd call the Air Force and try to get

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the plane up. How come this radar in Colorado can't pick it up if they say that the Air Force

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is up there? And then I have another question. They said that they said that our boy in Maine

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had sighted one and he shot at it today. Could I have an answer on that? Okay, well,

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we should get the shot at it. He fired at it four times, he missed three, hit it once,

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doesn't say too much for his aim. I don't know about the UFO. Major Keero, what about the first

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thing? Was there anything picked up in any major radar sites on the slat of Michigan?

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According to the Civil Defense Director Van Hor, I think he told you that any radar

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at will or run confirmed the fact that they had two blunts for his last sighting. But

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there have been many cases where the Air Force has a better policy in playing this down.

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They said there was no radar confirmation and that later they had to retract, but if they

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did have it, now that happened last summer out in Oklahoma. The Oklahoma State Police

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and we have found reports from their headquarters saying that they did have confirmation from

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the Air Force. Take care of your state, call from many times that these officers had about

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zero and they retracted the radar there at height, the altitude, speed, maneuvers and so on.

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And yet the Air Force gave the public a statement that there was no radar tracking and you simply

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had to accept it as a part of the policy to play these things up. Okay, thank you very

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much. Thank you for coming, sir. Bob Kennedy, you're in contact here. I'm the Air. Hello,

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Bob. Yes. I would like to ask a question to Major Kehoff, I may. About a case that happened

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on October 23rd, 1965, out in Minnesota where an announcer at KEYL Longfrey, Minnesota, supposedly

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saw robots or creatures shaped like tin cans with arms and tricorid legs. Do you ever watch

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those amounts as they see all sorts of things we can have for them? Applying to the, not

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flesh or tissue, but a kind of metal. How does he count for this? Major Kehoff, do you

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hear anything about that? Yes, we have. And actually the evidence is rather sketchy and

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we are putting it on the question, Mark, that actually you take the thing like that and you

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have to have fairly good proof. There should be several witnesses who saw that same thing

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and give the same dimensions. I believe that you would have to say that that is one of the

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unconfirmed reports. What about the young man who mentioned the fact that that subtle up in

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Maine wasn't a pot shot out of flying saucers? Well, that has happened several times and we've

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been concerned about it too. Over the past year they've been reports of people who were

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alarmed by these things and either dived out of their cars, one that came down at Brother

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Low Altitude or actually fired at one case in West Virginia where a man had a gun in his

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car and he jumped out and shot at it. But we haven't any reports of what actually hitting

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them. Why did you say we were concerned about that? Well, if you start that kind of feeling,

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you can spread alarm and there's actually no basis to feel fear of these objects as far

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as we've found out. There's no evidence of any hostility and I think we should look at them

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more calmly and try to get as much scientific information as we can. And in plus people

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the fact that there's not been any attacks, there's been no hostility and there's a great deal

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that can be learned if these are actually machines from some other and more advanced

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civilization. So from the point of view, somebody up there likes this? No, I think that we

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don't know what motive could be back of these. It could simply be something the Air Force

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itself years ago suggested in the Project Guns report that an advanced civilization was

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concerned because we were now preparing to go into space. We were launching high altitude rockets.

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We were exploding nuclear bombs. They wanted to check and see whether we were likely to be

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any sort of a problem if we did get out of space. Kennedy, you're on the contact. You're

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out of the air. Hello Bob. Yes sir. John, do you want to throw a banana over? Hello John, how are you?

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Pretty good. Got a good show as usual. Why thank you John. I've got two questions here for

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Major Keough. I haven't been able to hear him too well on this slide here. So I'll hang up after I answer them.

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One, I've been interested in some time. Haven't done too much about it but here's the opportunity.

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Is it possible to become a member of ICAP and how? And number two, I don't know if

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Major Keough remembers, he probably will. There is an area over the Caribbean off Florida

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around Bermuda somewhere where many planes have been lost, the Star Tiger in the area

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or two of the famous ones back in 1948. I just wanted to get any idea if the U.S.

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boat has any connection at all with these strange experiences. All right sir.

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I'll hang up. Yes sir. Thanks very much. Okay, thank you for coming John. What about that Major?

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Well, as far as joining the ICAP, yes we do accept members. We have members in all 50 states and 34

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countries. You can write to us at 15 Connecticut Avenue, Washington DC and we'll send you

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information of what ICAP does and the publications that are available. We'd be very glad to hear from you.

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In regard to the area of the Caribbean, yes we have many of those reports and it has been suggested

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a couple of times at least that UFOs were responsible for some of these very strange

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disparities. But as far as I know there's never been any definite link with a lost plane or a

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lost ship in that area with the UFO. So it's still speculation. All right. Bob Kennedy you're on the air.

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You're on contact. I was wondering, I suppose, Major Keough is the one that I really was wondering about.

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I have heard that back during World War II that the army and Air Force were interested in the flying saucer

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situation pretty much undercover. Of course they don't say too much about it nowadays.

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But I heard that they went so far as to have diffraction-grating cameras stationed at some of their

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Air Force bases hoping to get a picture and diffraction-grating being similar to a prison.

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The line is really conging out here. They spent all that money. I think we'd better get to the question.

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Were you curious to know why they did it? I was wondering if Major Keough had any information on this.

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This is official or what? Okay fine. We'll let Major Keough answer that for you. I'm sorry the line is so bad.

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Thank you for calling. Major? Yes they did have an official project. It was announced about 1951-52

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after these special cameras with a grid and it turned out to be a failure. Several times the grid came off.

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They weren't cemented right. They had to be taken back in and worked on again. They never did turn up anything.

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The main reason is because they weren't the right type of equipment. There was no real campaign to use these things.

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As far as I know they didn't register a single UFO. Yes. It's the first night of here. I got a question from Mr Keough.

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I understand all our astronauts while out there had sighted a lot of these UFOs but again it's been played down by the Air Force.

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On this nightcap I'm very much interested and wondered if I could join this organization and how.

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Well we can't have asked that but I know you were just waiting on the line so Major would you underline that again and give the advice?

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Yes. We will accept membership applications from a certain United States and foreign countries.

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We do not accept any known communist connections. We do not accept any known communists.

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Something right to us at 1536 Connecticut Avenue, Washington D.C. addresses as NICAP which is short for National Investigations Committee on Aerial Phenomenal.

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Okay. I guess that brings us up to date on joining NICAP. Any dues a year Major?

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Yes, there are. $5 a year and that includes a bi-monthly publication known as the U.S. Pro-Investigator which has all the latest sighting reports,

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latest developments in the Air Force investigation and in our own and occasionally a special bulletin whenever there's some real outbreak of sighting.

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Major Keough once again thank you very much for joining us tonight on contact.

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Thank you Bob. Nice to have you back with us. Kind of an exciting week for you I imagine though.

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Well thanks for building up versus been going on a long long time.